Dream Crushed to Dream Manager with Debby Krusz; Resilience in Life and Leadership Episode 051

Stephanie has a fabulous conversation with author, coach, and consultant Debby Krusz. Debby went from Dream Crushed to Dream Manager. Listen in to how Debby survived her crushed dreams.

After being Dream Crushed by Corporate America, Debby listened to the voice within that said "Leave this place and start writing!" Debby Krusz also known as Kruszewski, is the published Author of Soul Meets Body, Precious and Fragile Things and Live to Tell. Her fourth novel, Date with Kate, is in process. All her novels are about following your heart.

She is a Certified Dream Manager Coach and Business Consultant.
She is a survivor of crushed Dreams and an expert in Dream rescue. If your Dream is a long-buried seed or a squashed bud, Debby is here to help you replant it, nurture it, and bring it to full bloom!

Her program is ideal for employers who want to make an investment in their employees by making them the most successful version of themselves. Your employee morale will rise, productivity will increase, and turnover will decrease as a result of this dream pollination. Debby's program is a great fit for businesses of any size.

Debby is building her business and brand, helping others listen to their heart and pursue their dreams.

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Transcript

Stephanie Olson: 0:00

Thank you for listening. Please share with anyone you think will benefit from this podcast. Hello and welcome to resilience in life and leadership. I am welcoming Debbie Cruz to the show. Debbie is a survivor of crushed dreams and an expert in dream rescue. If your dream is long buried seed or a squash, but I'm here to help you replant it, nurture it and bring it to full bloom. Her program is ideal for employers who want to make an investment in their employees by making them the most successful version of themselves. employee morale will rise, productivity will increase and turnover will decrease as a result of this dream pollination. Her program is a great fit for businesses of any size. After being dream crushed by corporate America, Debbie listen to the voice within that said leave this place and start writing. She is the published author of soul meets body precious and fragile things and live to tell her fourth novel date with Kate is in process. All of her novels are about following your heart. And in additional in addition to novels, she has an inspirational blog and as a certified dream manager, coach and business consultant. Welcome, Debbie. Hello, and welcome to resilience in life and leadership. And I am here with Debbie Cruz say your say your full last name Debbie. It's crazy ski kazoo ski. Okay, I can say that. Well, welcome. I am so glad that you're with us. And I love your story. I love I love. I love what you said after being dream crushed by corporate America. So I want to hear about your journey and how that brought to what you're doing now as a dream coach.

Debby Krusz: 1:51

Oh, thank you. Thank you so much for having me. Yes, corporate America is one of the pieces of my dream crushing. I think we all have them in our life. And we don't realize how many people tell you know, you can't do that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, this is what you do. So I I wasn't really supposed to go into corporate America at all. I had switched colleges right before even started. For some family reasons. I was supposed to be a ballerina in a dance company at a different college, they had their own dance company, I was supposed to dance for them. And then my dream was to do a second degree in business management because I wanted to own my own studio. So I ended up going closer to home and just majoring in business and became a ballet teacher for a short period of time, where I strongly learned that I that is not my call. kids all have for hours at a time was not my not my thing. I like to dance. I don't like to tell people how to dance. So that worked out really well.

Stephanie Olson: 3:05

That's great. My daughter is actually a dancer, so I can totally relate. Yes. Beautiful.

Debby Krusz: 3:11

Yes. So you know, I just follow the path. You know, I went to business school. So the school I went to was pretty small. You're either in business school or your liberal arts, most of those people Bri school teachers, which was clearly not my thing. Everybody mostly became an accountant. It was becoming a new hot field, then I didn't really understand what that was. But I felt like if I went into just operations management, that answer a lot of questions. So I got into a job. And it was it was fun. It was exciting. It was a financial printing, which sounds sounds like one of those jobs that nobody knows what it is because it is one of those jobs that nobody knows what it is. I'm still explained to this day. It's like a million years later. What did you do that? Oh, it's a lot. So it was just a crazy job is 24/7 it was doing live filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission's for companies going public. They grew up anything in between. And it just was not fulfilling it. It was fun and glamorous when I started but it very slowly lost its luster. Yeah. And I just to not get into so much detail. I just felt like never a right. It never felt right to me. Either. It wasn't a good fit, or I'd get to the next level of management. And it was horrible. And then I just kept convincing myself well, oh, because you don't know it yet. And you're going to work really hard and it's going to be great. And then you're going to get to the next level and that's where the dream is that's where it's going to be better. And so I kept climbing until I made it to a C level position. And as I was there, I was like, I don't care how much money this is I don't, I don't care about the title, I don't care. This is the worst job in the world. So on it, this is horrible. It wasn't being hard of having to make the decision decisions, it was sad of the choices of what the decisions were. And they were just not. It was had nothing to do with my value or my brand. And I was, I was lost, I was completely lost. And I spent a lot of time in prayer and meditation. And I just asked, what is it that I'm supposed to be doing? And the voice replied to me, you need to start writing? And why don't you leave this job and start writing and I will do the rest. So, you know, hey, I'm done here that went over well.

Stephanie Olson: 5:57

And that was it, how you just go

Debby Krusz: 6:00

anywhere? It was a little bit further over process, but it was the hugest weight lifted off of me. And then, of course, you're following your dream, and everybody around you, you know, thinks there's something wrong with you. Why are you crazy? Why would you do something like that? I know, you know, so. There's a whole psychological piece to it of? Do I listen to what my heart is telling me, which I believe is my center? And that's from God? Or do I listen to all you around me telling right? Not to do this? And then you realize the pattern was your whole life? Right? All, you know, is not sitting here pointing a finger. I specifically want to say, it's not that people were being mean to me, and how dare you, they just don't they can't see what's in my heart as if, as I can't see what's in yours. Because I don't you know, I unless I have a deep conversation and get in deep there. No, nobody, nobody will ever really 100% No, but you

Stephanie Olson: 7:01

well, and I think there's societal expectations that are set up, that that we are supposed to, quote unquote, follow. And if we're not following those, you know, if you're in a sea level job, you should be thrilled if you're making the money that you're supposed, you know, this is all societal expectations, that aren't really what we need to, you know, and especially, you know, you're obviously a believer, and so when you're talking about, you know, what God's will is for you, and what the world's wanting you to do there. That can be two very different things. Yeah,

Debby Krusz: 7:40

money can't buy you anything, that the joy and abundance will will give you for what, what is in your heart, and, you know, you're taught, we're taught, like, it's money, you have to have money, you have to have material things. Right. And they don't give you anything. I saw a post yesterday of I had a multifamily house that burned down to the ground. You know, and it's horrible. And, and somebody just posted something like, oh, all their stuff, and how, you know, I know this, these, these people just bought this new couch, like they're alive. Yeah, that's all right. With the couch does it? Who cares? Are you serious, you focused on this couch who these people are alive. And if you how quickly when you lose something like, like your all your material things, what really your value is, you don't need anything, you just need the love that's in your heart. And it just if everything starts to fall into place when she realized that, but it's it's sad and amazing how many people don't think that money is their answer.

Stephanie Olson: 8:52

And you cannot take it with you. I mean, that's the biggest cliche, but it is so true. You no one lies on their deathbed and says, gosh, I wish I would have just made more money, or I wish I would have worked a little harder. Nobody does that. Yeah.

Debby Krusz: 9:09

I know, a neighbor of mine was one of the first people to win a million dollars in the lottery. Oh my goodness. And it's the it's the cliche story of he wins the lottery. You guys.

Stephanie Olson: 9:25

Oh my gosh, you're kidding.

Debby Krusz: 9:27

Yeah. And before that, you know, all the ugliness of the family and the greed and you know, just the man died. And it was supposed to be this glamorous thing that he won the lottery like, Oh, this is gonna answer all my problems. It didn't you know, didn't keep them alive. It separated his family. You know, it's it was so sad. It was so sad. And it's it really a little part of me kind of scared me to be get it so fast. Yeah. Get it. You know, it's, it's it was over. I mean to us as kids, that was like a million dollars. I don't even know how to count that, right? How many zeros is that? But a what, you know, that was a huge thing. But at the same time, you can't bring it with you. Which brings me to one of the jokes that Joel Osteen says, and you know, this woman, her, her husband was a gazillionaire. And, you know, he dies. And you know, he said, In My Will I want to bring all my money with you. You notice, the relatives are like, Oh, you really didn't bury the money with him? Did you? She's like, Oh, no, I kept my promises. I wrote him a check. I love that. You, so you got to kind of put it in perspective of what you really can do. Awesome. Yep.

Stephanie Olson: 11:01

Exactly. Probably won't get cashed. But yes, exactly. That's great. Yeah. So now from the time so, so you decided to to write and that's what did you have an idea of what you wanted to write? Or was there something already on your heart was it just, I'm just gonna write.

Debby Krusz: 11:28

It was it was a very divine voice that came to me that said, right. And I just started writing. And I was writing Stupid Love stories that were really like, really, like cringe worthy, like, this isn't even good enough for like a lifetime commercial. It's just not not even. So I was like, I need some focus here. And I hired an editor that really put me in a good mindset and how to go about writing an outline, she's like you're writing, it's not the worst, that just, you have no direction of where this is really going. So she's like, write an outline. And you don't have to follow it, it'll probably take its own direction. But as long as you're trying to get from point A to point B to point C, you'll, you'll see how the story evolves. But if you're, if you're not aiming that way, you're just like going off in the dark. And it was a smart idea. And then never actually follow that straight through all the outlines that ever wrote. But I, when I tell you, it was just pouring out of me at that point where I'm sitting there going, my fingers are hitting the keys, but I don't really know that I'm here. I know that it's flowing out of me and things were connecting. And even today, when people read it, they're like, Oh, I love how this piece was connected to this. And I'm like,

Stephanie Olson: 12:50

me too. That's great.

Debby Krusz: 12:56

Yeah. Some things I didn't even recognize, which is fun it Yeah, to see it through other people's eyes. So it was it was an exciting process. And it definitely very rewarding of emotions and feelings that came out under different people, character, so on a fried skin under different circumstances. And, of course, when someone close to read the door, like I know exactly what that represents. But to most people, they, you know, they would have no idea because it's to completely, you know, torn apart from, you know, it's just like a piece of something that really happened because you have to have something to relate to. But, you know, you think of that, even if it's somebody that recognizes all that happened in real life, but it didn't happen this way. And it didn't write these characters. And you know, you have one person that's like, Well, what did people know? It's me, I'm like, Okay, we're, this is gonna be a best seller. So how many 1000s of people are going to read this? How many people actually know you?

Stephanie Olson: 14:02

Right? Exactly.

Debby Krusz: 14:04

It'll be fine. It'll be fine. And then you have the people that you know, see a little glimpse of themselves know like, when when is my debut on showing

Stephanie Olson: 14:22

money, that is great. I love it. So So then did you go from writing to working with businesses or how did that develop?

Debby Krusz: 14:36

Well, I had some cushion room to write. And I didn't I wanted to really say in what my truth was, and I didn't know what it looked like. And I did get I did let all the voices get to me I'm like, Well, what are you going to do? What are you going to do what you're gonna do? And you know, the scare factor of when those are the voices that are constantly at you, you your your voices are kind of reacting as well. So I did go through a dark period of while I don't know, and I'm supposed to know, right. But then I didn't see that I was being flipped back into the fear factor backed into being sucked into a life sucking job. It just sat me backwards, just doing smaller jobs just because I was like, Oh my gosh, well, I have to do something, and not taking the time to really focus on what my life purpose was. And what was in my heart. I really I lost it, because I didn't realize that that was part of the path. And then I decided to Okay, well, this was fun. Let's go back to corporate America. And I nobody really wanted it just, it was just, I was get a job. And they'd be like, Oh, my gosh, we didn't get the budget for it. There was just always a ridiculous wall of why the position all of a sudden disappeared, or Oh, my gosh, we found somebody else that's a little bit more fit for this job. It was very, like closed door closed or closed door. Very confusing and frustrating. But the answer was, is you're not doing the right thing. You're not listening, I ended up a friend of mine, we sat down and had a meeting. And he had just started a nonprofit, with a with a few others, and somebody that was going to be really putting it all together and be the operational piece of it. They ended up breaking ties. So they asked me if I would come in and help. And I did and I decided to dedicate myself to that for a significant amount of time. And then COVID came and you know, every all of that was lost. And then the other business ventures I was I was working on that were pretty big. They they were lost as well. So I got again, Dream, Dream crushed. And that was that was difficult. So I decided to focus on Well, I'm sick of living in the trenches, and in the dark. And in these bad places. The only way I can look this up. So what if I just turn around and just turn everything every day when I can't wake up out of bed, you know, just make sure that I go and post all these positive things, make sure I just tell people in the supermarket, how great they look, or just anything I could do to be as much as positive as I can during the day. So that when I go to that end, I have things to be grateful for, which I always you always have something be grateful for, but I couldn't see it. And then I would dream, I would dream good. I would have good positive dreams. And then I would want to wake up because I want to get something accomplished. That was very fulfilling. So I worked on that cycle. And then that started to happen. And I realized I was leading from my heart. And I was able doing this, see what was in my heart and realize what my true potential was and what my life purpose was. And as I got there, I was able to see in other people their life. And my light was shining so bright that people were coming to me of well, I may not know you, I may not know your story, but I can see your light. And I know you could see mine. And I know obviously that's not exactly the conversation. But people that were broken, were coming to me and asking for help. Asking how do I get out of this place, and I wasn't so direct with my story or sharing everything with everybody. But it was the energy that I'm putting out there of okay, well, my light is shining now. People can see it. And I realized that I could help people. So I wanted to focus on my life purpose is to help people shine their light. And that comes from their heart that comes from within that is given to them by God. And I just want to stay there and focus on it. And I saw that all my books were leading from a place of in the heart to trusting what is in your heart, what it's about. Life is wild and crazy. But look at how you are watched over and look at how you're protected and how you're loved. Look at how things can happen for you when you think that it's impossible. And my blog, I was trying to do the same thing. And the consulting work that I was doing. People just couldn't under understand how I could do all these things and I had a few other business ventures as well. And I just became confusing so I was like I'm just gonna stick with the theme of follow what's in your heart. And I looked in deep of you know how to really promote that and how to share that with people. And I looked in deep have to what my Name It means and what it's about. And I fell into this several times of knowing it. But for some reason I went to look at it. And my name in the Bible is really Devorah. And it is the B seeker. So the B is known as defies all laws, it's impossible to fly, it's impossible of what it does. And it does impossible things and it makes things succeed. So it makes sure that all of nature is succeeding and growing and giving people positivity if they see it or not. So I look at it as the bees, the honey of life, and it brings out energies and people and it brings out the light and people and the good and the positivity and people, and it helps people on their journey get to their life and sole purpose. Okay, so I that's how I my program came about, of the dream pollinating. Because we're, we're all pollinating our dreams, right? So we're going to start with Dream storming. Because we have to go through a storm to get to where our dreams are. So yeah, throwing all our dreams to the wall, looking at them and seeing what they're about. And you know, this is the rain of like, I don't know, this doesn't work, I can't do that, oh, bungee jumping sounded great. When I was pointing.

Stephanie Olson: 21:24

It never sounded good to me. No.

Debby Krusz: 21:28

But after the storm, there's a rainbow. And there's sunshine. So it all starts with, you know, following all the seasons, because of pollinating all follows within the seasons. So that's, you know, just where I'm at, of, you know, I got crushed, and I use all those that all of that energy to turn around of all the crushing, I was told all the nose, all the cancer, all of that, and I turned it around to I can rescue all of those dreams, they may not look the same, they may not feel the same. But if they were in your heart at one point, they're always recalculated into something new and something else. So I just want to help people get there and see their true potential in their true light.

Stephanie Olson: 22:10

Because sometimes you'll have a dream and you know it. I was told once and you know that sometimes that we have a vision or a plan. And sometimes that vision has to die in order for God to put forth the one that he wants in our hearts. And and then other times, like you begin something and somebody else then can take it over. And so how do you determine how or how do you help people determine like, Nope, this is your time to move towards this this? Is your time to move away from this or, or things like that? Or do you? Do you just coach them to make those decisions on their own?

Debby Krusz: 23:01

Well, I think that God is always talking to us. He's always sending us signs and symbols and redirecting us if we ever go in the wrong way. So if there was a dream, that you're you can feel like oh, this has been in my heart for so long. And then you get a taste of it and not know you're not decide that oh my gosh, this was not for me this isn't it. You were given that dream for a reason. You were given that dream to get on that path. Because that path opened up so many windows avenues for you that you may not have noticed or seen you might it might not be real for you. So that's why I make sure no matter what somebody says to me to not drink crush it because people drink crush themselves enough. They don't need somebody else. If it's there, and it's your dream. It's there for a reason. It might recalculate. It might keep recalculating because God's just gonna be like, okay, she didn't see that. That's okay. That's what we're gonna do. We're gonna try again, we're gonna try again. You know, it's following the crumbs in the road, and you can't always see it. Right? So I believe that if you get somewhere and you're like, I don't want this here, you can have it. If it was you, if it that was the path you take you on, that was the path it was supposed to take you to. And if it was to give somebody else it was to give somebody else and you helped start somebody's dream. And there's that means somebody has started your dream. And it's just part of your journey. There's more than one view, you're given hundreds and hundreds of dreams. You just have to tap into the ones that feel right for you. And it's it's it's a total journey. I guess. It's a total journey. Yeah. You're you could be I was I believed in my heart when I was young that I was going to be a doctor. Now if you ever saw me around I'm blood. Like, I'm sure. And I was like, Yeah, that sounds kind of ridiculous. And I sat down, I completely shut that down. But I healthcare found me. I had healthcare companies coming to me like, oh, we need, you know, I'm like, I have no idea in the world why anybody in a health care company would hire me. And I spent time there. I spent time with doctors, I spend time in clinical trials, I spend time and understanding hospitals and how they work. And it didn't make any sense to me, until I got here. And I realized, I only saw for helping people find what's in their heart as healing and finding their center. But all I could see and relate to with what was in my head was somebody in a doctor's jacket. Yeah. Right. So I just automatically decided it was a doctor. So it could just have the wrong label on it. Right. Right. Not realize what it is. So you have to just keep starting going down, start to go down these avenues to to find it, and you have to untorn every rock for sure. So

Stephanie Olson: 26:12

tell me a little bit about your work with small businesses. And, you know, specifically like what can small businesses? I know you work with restaurants, things like that? What can they do to actually help them financially save money, things like that? Yeah.

Debby Krusz: 26:32

So I mean, I do have a very strong business background, I've been in operations for over 25 years, I work with a Restaurant Group, and a lot of the offerings that that group has also can be applied at small business. Yes. So I have this vast network of people that I trust, we work very hard in, what are things that we can do as a group to focus on the restaurant industry. And it can be small business as well, of how the industry is changing. So for a huge piece of it, especially now is customer service. Yes. So, you know, during COVID, the whole world change restaurants, the whole model changed. And then when, you know, the government checks stopped, you there were people that wanted to go back to work, there's a lot of people that didn't want to work, and the people that were sort of low end, were still making more money than they would have been at their job. And they chose to not work. So that problem with getting employees was very difficult. So then there's becomes this model of, you know, you can be on a restaurant on both sides of the street kind of similar. And this guy's like, Well, I'm gonna give you a minimum wage of this much an hour, where this guy's giving this much an hour. So like $10 an hour, and then this guy is giving $30. Right, right. And then you know, then that greed starts and then you're starting all these levels of ridiculousness that can't be kept up, and it's just doesn't match the industry. So restaurants were going under, because they can't keep up with the demands, they can't get the employees, which they could. But that's, you know, where to look for them. And then there's, they're losing their value, they're losing their core value of what there are, they are service change, where customers decide that they're in charge. And they're become overly demanding. And, you know, the customer's always right, is kind of taken to a new level of like, No, you're not always right. And there's, there's too much taking advantage. So there's certain aspects that we go through. You had asked about finances. I mean, right now, that is such a hot topic for small businesses, for restaurants, have a lot of people for the past two years didn't have income, and have people that they have to pay and really need to stay alive and how to reinvent themselves. There are so many options that can have that can work you can work on as either a small business or a restaurant, if it's a loan, if it's getting in advance to pay employees before your age, if you can't make your payroll there's there's options for that. There's options for refinancing. There's a lot that I've learned through this whole process for myself and my own business. I've made plenty of mistakes, that I can help coach people to avoid that. But I also have reliable sources that I work with that I can say, Listen, I talked to this person once a week and we go through all all scenarios of things. It's not my choice to make it but here, person, this person in this person, here's three, four numbers for you to call. And they'll give you their honest opinion. And if they can't help you, they'll give you other people that can help you. And you know, I do have a love and affinity for restaurants. So that's how I got into this group. And there's a lot more options that I can do more for restaurants in that aspect. But for small businesses, I've done so much analytical work and reorganization and redevelopment and SOPs, that helping a small business is my core. So yeah, and to purchase bring a positive aspects. And I also do programs just to work on that customer service side of making sure that your value is matching your service, because that is all around,

Stephanie Olson: 30:45

right. So what do you do you see a huge difference between your dream coaching and your business consulting, or do they kind of meld at some point?

Debby Krusz: 30:58

Well, I have to, at one point come and be one brand and not 75 different things. So if I am a dream manager, pollinator, I'm always going to bring that energy and aspect to everything I do. So all that really means is to bring as much positivity to everything, right and bring a good attitude and bring my honesty to what I can do. Because it just makes the process that much easier. And just to give all those helpful hints of little things of that can make things better. It's not the same thing. But I'm bringing the same attitude of excitement and positive energy, and into all my analytical work and just be as honest as possible. And I do have an amazing amount of resources that I always feel makes, helps the process when I say, oh, my gosh, you need to get all this, you have to redo all your finances, or you have to reorganize this side of the office, or you need help with your customer service, I at least have a couple of references in each aspect that I could say, you know, if you can go out on your own, this is just my suggestion, but I do have references that I can help you with. And this is stuff that they can do. But you're not tied to anything. You know, it's just very helpful to be like, oh, gosh, you have people because once you give somebody, Hey, this is what your business should look like to be productive. Good luck with that. It's kind of a waste of their time, because they're like, I came here for help and assistance. Don't just throw me back out there. Right? You know, you really want I want to handheld hold people, not to, to Yes, to teach them how to fish and not to do it for them. But make sure that they feel comforted because a lot of times making hard decisions, especially financial decisions, really can grow this level of anxiety, yeah, that can make you make more poor decisions. And I think that that's the hugest aspect of having somebody that is your support system through making these major changes that they don't, you don't really get?

Stephanie Olson: 33:22

Well, and I think that you know, when you're talking about dream crashing, you're talking about okay, this is what I thought I wanted to do. And now I feel like I'm called to do that there's got to be a lot of I mean, there really could be a lot of anxiety, a lot of fear with that. So how do you overcome that? If if you know you're dealing with that? You know, definitely you want a support system. But how do you really overcome that, that fear and anxiety?

Debby Krusz: 33:51

You You have to recognize what's ego? You know, who are the people that are really for you who are against you? Who do you really trust. And those sometimes are really hard, because you want to be like, Oh, I totally trust my spouse. But the you know, they're always talking down to me, or they don't believe in me, even though they say they do. They're standing next to me, right? Doesn't mean get rid of that person. It means that's not the person in this situation. I should be leaning on. And once you identify your network, and you know No, okay, well, I have a really good friend from college that I know, no matter what I can always call and just run ideas by and there's no judgment. And I need that voice. So you need a few of those voices that are just always going to recenter you get you back. I'm always going to go and say Say your prayers, say your mantra, because that's always centering yourself. You know, it's it sounds sometimes Seems a little ridiculous to take time out of your day when you're having this when you're in that anxiety when someone says, just take a moment to pray, you know, you might want to like, go and snack them. But when you I mean, I do, like Billy, you know, but once you make it a practice of, I am going to succeed, I'm going to be successful at what I do, I'm doing the right thing, I'm making the right decisions. Just those simple things, right, bring you down. There's also plenty of exercises that you can do, especially if you're in a conversation, and you kind of get starstruck by the question or that oh, my gosh, I'm so afraid to give you the right answer, because it scares me. Yeah, where you know, you could do there's tapping, you know, it's there's also centering in some breathing, or just focusing on three things like, okay, there's three things that I could see there's a blue wall, there's a star, there's a white whiteboard, okay, what can I smell, and just sort of ground yourself. There's a lot that you can do in the day, to ease your anxiety and recognize that cycle. When does it start, it starts when things are starting to go really well. And it's scary. But you also notice the cycle of you're getting yourself to a higher level that makes you happy, that makes you fulfilled, and your old self is here. And is you're in that transition of while I'm going here. And your old self is afraid of yourself because it's so afraid of what is to come. And it knows that you're leaving. And so that also brings you down and when you can recognize that anxiety voice just come up when there's no reason for it anymore. Right, right. Like it's time to say goodbye to old me, and it's time to invite new me in. And then that's when you really see the progress. And you know, sometimes you need some breaks from the from the dream crushers and I'm not saying break up with anybody. I'm just saying, hey, you know, I'm not going to give your voice power. Yeah, I'm going to give the positive voices power. And these are my three people that are going to help me through this season. It's not always the same in every season. Right? Right. But they're hard to identify. And that anxiety can keep you in that that hamster wheel. Get out. I just can't get out.

Stephanie Olson: 37:29

Exactly, exactly. Oh, very good stuff. I love that. So where can people find you, Debbie?

Debby Krusz: 37:38

Yes. So you can find me on all social media at Debbie Cruz which is d BV YKRUSZ. My website is the same Debbie cruz.com. I would also love to offer to your listeners a free download of my latest novel soulmates body. And welcome any if anybody would like to talk, I'm very open, you can book on my homepage. On my website, Debbie cruz.com A consultation to talk about some dreams.

Stephanie Olson: 38:13

Fabulous. Well, I will make sure all of those are in the podcast notes that is very generous of you. Thank you so much. I appreciate that. Okay, final question. What does resilience mean to you?

Debby Krusz: 38:27

Whoo. What does resilience mean? I think it for me, I sort of look at myself of Alright, there's that dog that sees that electric fence and and some dogs could sit there and be like, Alright, I'm staying here. The watch that one dog be like I am.

Stephanie Olson: 38:44

I had a couple of those. I am not afraid. Let me bring it on. So that is great. I love that I actually had two dogs. They were labs. And I think one of them always said, hey, check and see if that will shock you really quick. Go check that first and then the other one would go. Okay, we got that. But yeah, that I love that. That's good. Because yeah, you've got to keep going. Right. Got to keep keep moving forward.

Debby Krusz: 39:18

Hold'em have no one to fold. That's right.

Stephanie Olson: 39:22

Well, Debbie, thank you so much. It's really been a pleasure talking to you. I love the work that you're doing. And I love that you are so available for people to find you and that you took what was just a really difficult time and you are using that to help and benefit others. So thank you so much for being on the show.

Debby Krusz: 39:44

Oh, thank you so much for having me. I appreciate it so much.

Stephanie Olson: 39:47

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